[00:00:00] Dr. Nick: Dr Nick Delgado here with Dr Joel Wallick. And he has an amazing story. I’ve known Joel for a number of years, and we’re talking about chronic disease conditions that were purported to have a genetic basis. And yet I want you to hear the full story, Joel. Okay.
[00:00:32] Dr. Joel: Thank you, Dr Nick. Basically, the shark version of it is I was working at Emory University Great Memorial Hospital in your Keys primate center in Atlanta, Georgia for NASA and Nose. After I’d done my thesis for this big project with Center for Natural Systems at Washington University and ran into serendipity, ran into the first we would turn out to be the first non human case of diagnosis. He Rose is in a little six month old races. Monkey did all the work with blood had been withdrawn from the parents of twenty five baby monkeys in a colony for six years, every month for six years. And put the freezer from this twenty five baby monkeys. There is about the same age. Is this one six months? Not related. Got permission to do biopsies. Turns out that all twenty five had cystic fibrosis. Nothing. We’re genetically related. So I knew immediately it was an environmental problem and not not, eh? A genetic disease and experts in cystic fibrosis had diagnosed. It had confirmed my diagnoses because I didn’t tell most from a monkey. I just sent them slides and said, I think that’s a cystic fibrosis. What do you think? On the Yorkies letterhead. And they sent back on their letter heads, you know, from Harvard Medical School in New York and so forth in London. And and they I said, Oh, yeah, This is classic examples of city roses that I wrote him back. Remember this nineteen seventy seven said, Well, this is the first nine human cases since your brother’s service isn’t recess monkey. I’m just set up a colony here. I’Ll keep you informed. There was so excited I was in the newspapers but a little love. And then when I found out what actually caused by doing analyses of the same blood samples I found I was the deficiency of a single nutrient for the liver and kidney. Teo was given the liver of the pancreatic disease and then for the sweat. Tests on the lung disease positive sweat test were supposed to be the genetic marker was a deficiency of his second nutrient and human beings. I could inject them intravenously and twenty four hours or genetic marker. Positive sweat tests would go unpoliced. It’d go negative. And if I gave it to him orally, took two weeks and would go negative. And so I knew I had something. Of course, they fired me and actually had top such me out of the laboratory. Everything because they thought I was smelling glue in Corsica, Bro Sis was supposed to be the classic example of a genetically transmitted human disease, and I mean, here I am, twenty four years old, saying that it’s not a genetic disease. To make a long story short, I got invited to speak to the National Health Federation in Chicago in nineteen seventy eight on DH while lecturing there they had representatives from the National College of Nature, Panic Medicine from Portland, Oregon, looking for staff and students, and they came up after I lectured and said, Look, we want you to lecture at our annual meeting for nature panic physicians for their points for their licenses, for the for the State association on. So I accept and I was there lecturing and they said Jeffrey Bland, very famous guy and one of my mentors, I just was. So I thought, Oh, he’s going to They’re too And he was. What is that? He has taught nutrition here at the school for fifteen years, and he’s just going leaving to go start his own business. And so would you fill in for him and take the job of teaching nutrition about chemistry? Will. Yeah, and could I use all my courses from my other degrees, my veterinary degree, my pathological re from these certified universities towards my degree in nature betting mess. And he said yes. And they made me advance standing students. So I bought a clinic two years before I graduated. I did my own residents say, my own clinic. That’s another big story, but began to and realized that my big project that I did with my H for my pan theology degree the Center for the Biology of Natural Systems at Washington University in St Louis that on this was during the nineteen sixties mid nineteen sixties, when I got that degree and everybody knew the Earth was going to end in two weeks from pollution and my job. My director was defined. A species of animals was sensitive to the same pollutants that humans were were going to use it as the canary in the mine and the big cities. And we put those animals in the zoos in the big cities on DH. That way we’d have a careering the mind telling us so there’s a big danger in the big cities in Canada, United States and in Mexico, the North America make a long story short. I found that after twenty thousand autopsies, four hundred fifty four species, including three thousand humans, not a single one had died from pollution in the big cities and none of the zoo animals had died there. Seventeen thousand and some change of four hundred fifty four species involved in my autopsies. Most everybody does fifty white rats and they think they’re doing something. This is four hundred fifty four species in seventeen thousand animals. In some cases, two of that species or fifteen, or whether it might be and found that there is. They all died of nutritional deficiency diseases. There were no they all had the same genetic season. He’LL have the same genetic birth defects and all the baby animals. And then when I would do all this analyses, all the genetic birth defects were caused by nutritional deficiencies during pregnancy, and there was no genetically transmitted birth defects. And my thesis is in the Smithsonian Institute is a national treasure because I came up with the science of epi genetics on one of the fathers and founders of the Science of epi genetics. That’s what my thesis is in the Smithsonian Institution. National treasures from very, very proud of that. And Dr Nick, that’s my story.
[00:06:36] Dr. Nick: I know Jeffrey Bland has stated, along with the biology of belief, Bruce Lipton, that although we may have a genetic tendency to manifest a particular condition, we don’t really manifested unless there’s elements either present or not, president. So what? Your purporting as Bruce Lifting has stated that true, the intervention of potentially and I believe Geoffrey Bland would confirm this is well through lifestyle, to diet, to exercise to supplementation. And I know you’re a big proponent of the ninety trace minerals weaken, oftentimes alter that so called disease.
[00:07:17] Dr. Joel: Okay, well, this is exactly why I’m involved with Bruce Lipton and this epigenetic saying he uses identical twins, which is a slow, deliberate process. Right. Well, I got one hundred baby ducks from the same hatching period from the same mother. Father. I got one hundred baby ducks from the same pair of mallard ducks within a six week period. Kept stealing the eggs, put in the freezer. Still next in the freezer. When he got a hundred, I put twenty five and each of four groups put in the incubator at the same time. They all hatched in twenty one days, all perfectly normal. The mother and father getting the same nutrition during that same six weeks. I was collecting the eggs. Divide them into four groups to twenty five. Group number one got nothing but let us for six weeks. Group number two got Hydra packing grown barley grass for six weeks. Group number three got the same pellets that the mother and father got for six weeks. Group number four got the pellets and the barley grass. Group number one it was about a third of the size of normal ducklings. Would be because I was only being fed lettuce. They were only being fed lettuce. So twenty five ducats so they were about a third of the size. We killed them all of six weeks. Group number two that got the barley grass and we gave the seeds to white rats and fed the white red’s a steak sort. We’re tracking pollution that direction plus, you know, from the fertilizers and in the barley grass and the barley grass, the ducklings and the ducklings getting the barley grass where twenty percent bigger than the ones they got. Just the lettuce. They’re twenty percent by weight, and you could look at the picture. Their heads were like three times as big as the ones that just got the letters. One’s got The duck pellets were pretty much the same size that any baby duck would be being fed the pellets and a six week period.
[00:08:59] Dr. Nick: What’s in the poet?
[00:09:01] Dr. Joel: Vitamins and minerals and alfalfa and corn? I think so. They were three times bigger than Group one or two. Same genetics, only different summer boys. Summer girls. A group number four got the duck pellets okay with the alfalfa and the card and bottoms. Minerals saying his mother and father and group number three Group number four got the same duck pellets plus the barley grass. Now they’re five times bigger than group number one and two and three times bigger than group number three. And I have pictures of them and that was published in scientific journals. It was in the book. Rarer has been Cures, and I Use is my lecture all around the world, and people understand epi genetics immediately. Bruce Lipton does. He takes twins. Identical twins have been separated. Birth, maybe three months of age, a year of age, years of age. One does in New York once goes to Dallas, Texas. They’re in different homes, maybe different religions, certainly different diets, and they don’t look anything alike now. These are identical twins. When they get together, when they’re thirty years old, they don’t look anything like they might look like they might be cousins, but they don’t even look like brothers. And one of them’s six foot five and plays basketball. And the other one is five foot six and is a geek. OK, because you were fed different things and lived in different places. Now Bruce is very slow and methodical because he’s dealing with thirty years of lifetime. I’m dealing with six weeks with my my ducklings, and so that’s why I was way ahead of him.
[00:10:36] Dr. Nick: Joel, you’re you’re certainly well known. For as I remember, two incredible talk you did dead dead doctors don’t lie. And it kind of motivated me to come up with the term blood doesn’t lie and a CZ. You know, for forty years, I’ve been looking at blood samples of humans while they’re alive and seeing on comparing what they’re eating their supplementation there exercised their beliefs, the disease, conditions on the outcome of those individuals spanning forty years. So you and I have a different perspective than most practitioners or doctors, and you did a great job of looking at the autopsy reports of these doctors. And many of them have addictions, as we know. Unfortunately, many of them, you know, their human. I mean, doctors. I’m not saying that they’re worse or better humans than the rest of us. It’s just that they have access to the latest and pharmaceutical interventions. They have their chemicals or drugs. They’re trained by basically big farm in surgical houses. So that’s their belief system and what’s been the outcome of their life span. And you documented quite Well,
[00:11:46] Dr. Joel: okay, Well, I documented from the medical library at the A zoo in Houston, Texas, the Texas Medical Center. I went to the library there, and I’m finding everything the doctors have been saying. Remember, I’m still a vegetarian. At that point, I had become my position yet I’m trying to figure out why on Earth are Doctors so far offers saying all these diseases, their genetic, but they’re really just nutritional deficiencies. And so I said, Well, gosh, if they were correct, they should be healthier and live longer than anybody else if they’re doing everything they’re asking everybody else to do. So I went into the library there, Texas Medical Center in Houston, and when I just got armloads of the past, like ten years of the journal American Medical Association, and I went through the obituaries and I added up all the ages of two hundred doctors, Eva juries and divided by two hundred. I got fifty seven point eight or something like that. So I sound giving benefit out round up to fifty eight, and I did it again with a different bunch because I couldn’t believe it was that low. Those couch potatoes, little B seventy four, right? They came out exactly the same, and so and it was just like hitting me in the face of doctors really don’t know what they’re doing. I mean, that’s when I really knew that they didn’t know what they were doing. And so I started lecturing on that around the world and Doctor said, Well, it’s gotta be wrong He’s the guy that got fired because he said Citigroup roses was not genetic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And these were your own states. So they did their own study and they came out a year later. They said we knew it. We knew it. Wallet was wrong. His his number of doctors dying at fifty eight was completely wrong. Doctors don’t diet fifty eight on the areas. They die at fifty six. And I said, You guys very stupid. Why didn’t you just leave it alone? Why did you publish showing that you years your study showed you died two years younger than I said, We wanted to show your science is not good.
[00:13:50] Dr. Nick: So it’s It’s fascinating, Joel and I love how you present two audiences across the world. Almost every nation in the world stories that really bring to life the reality of of how we have a challenge to really educate people all over the world about healthy habits and nutrition and supplementation. And I know you like Jeffrey Bland have done a great job in educating people about nutritional deficiencies. And it’s so pervasive that even over the course of forty years that I’ve been looking under a high powered microscope and analyzing people’s blood and scene. Obvious cases of anemia. B twelve five Mental Tetra Hydro Foley Just like Jeffrey Bland as stated, not all full of acids are absorbed. In fact, types of fulla scene and special types. There’s certain people who can absorb the typical vitamin or mineral folic acid, so you often seek the better or natural origins to make sure that people get the right type of supplementation. I also love your story about how, uh, I believe it’s ash wood, where a lot of cultures they burn their wood and the leftover mixes into the soil and provides a rich source of trace minerals and various nutrients that the human body evolved with.
[00:15:23] Dr. Joel: Well, Nick, that’s one of the reasons I love and respect your brother because you’re hitting the high points one hundred percent. The thing that was very prominent to me was that there’s big difference is even the same families. Um, where we have one group goes over here and everybody that family will get cancer. Same people in the same family. Other people are saying family. They go over there and not even get cancer. What’s the difference? Okay, well, there’s an environmental difference. What’s going on? What? Turns out there’s two pieces. There’s an old aunt is you are what you eat. That’s absolutely one hundred percent. Not true. You are not what you eat your witch absorb. Okay. And so you going to eat a perfect die and take a perfect supplement program? But if your intestines all the villa are gone, you’re down to three percent absorption efficiency. I don’t care how many settlements you take. You’re still going to get All the diseases that are caused by these supplements are these nutritional deficiencies.
[00:16:22] Dr. Nick: And Joel. There is what’s called intrinsic factor in the gut, and as we age, it sometimes becomes difficult to absorb very important agents such as vitamin B twelve. In fact, it’s been estimated that some plant based vegetarians might have over seventy percent incidents of deficiency of vitamin B twelve. And then these individuals has been shown they need at least two hundred micrograms of vitamin B twelve. And it’s you know, it’s well known that B twelve comes from microorganisms and then animal store that B twelve in their flesh. And, of course, flesh has vitamin B twelve. But that should be a reason to discourage those who do want to be plant based whole food eating individuals. Just they have to understand they need to take a supplement. And just because they’re saying Well, you know what? In primitive times, there might have been B twelve in the water and unclean foods, you know, and microbes mixed into the plant foods, and they got their B twelve that That’s a nice argument, and that makes sense. But, you know, we try and clean our foods and often times these micro organisms that would have provided B twelve is gone. So you have to open up your mind set didn’t understand that oftentimes vitamin B twelve. Possibly using glandular tze, You always tell the story about using Cartlidge, the end of the bones to get some good absorption of certain calcium and nutrients. So it’s one thing to eat for Oh, shall we say religious purposes. Or But I look at it, we eat to live and those nutrients and foods we need to get a diversity of quality absorbable nutrients. And then the human gut has to be in a healthy state to absorb these nutrients, correct as you take your supplements. So I’ll let you finish taking to supplements, he
[00:18:15] Dr. Joel: said. Seventy five things there, So I’m going to kind of compress it and answer on DH. So the thing you have to appreciate one of the reasons thesis for my post doctoral fellowship in my twenty thousand autopsies four hundred fifty for his species three thousand humans is in the Smithsonian Institute of National Treasure. Is that it? What my studies showed, One of the main things that it showed was that all vertebrates required the same ninety essential nutrients. Didn’t matter if you were humming bird or giraffe for a human being or a rat or a pig or a snake or a purpose. Oh, all vertebrates required the same. Ninety cents in yushin sixty six zero minerals sixteen vitamins, twelve minutes. It’s free fatty asses, and the clincher was that at the same stage of pregnancy, if the female, regardless of the species, the female vertebrate, if she’s deficient in the same nutrient, she’s going to get the same birth defect in that baby. I don’t care again if it’s a purpose. If it’s a shark, it’s a hummingbird giraffe, a human being, and I’m finding all the same birth defects in all these animals in the zoo. Species four hundred fifty four species. Well, I started giving the ninety sent solutions to the zoo animals and suddenly another having all perfect babies. We’re talking about twenty thirty zoos, and now Pita isn’t angry with Jews because they have perfect babies instead of them dying in two years in captivity. They live forty years, and they maintain themselves with healthy babies, and they don’t have to go into the wild populations to re populate the zoo’s when they die out. So Peter doesn’t have a thing against Jews anymore. Okay, now, if I can do that with four hundred fifty four species, including human beings, is because we came up with a simple system. Nobody puts dirt from Texas in their car X marks in here from Texas and their hopes there’s some oil in it. An insane person would not do that. You know, if a mechanic look, I have this soil from Oklahoma and Texas. If you put six quarts of this in your car, you’LL never need to put oil in there. An insane person would not do that. Say you’re out your mind, man. I’m going to another mechanic. I’m putting six courts, all of my car. Well, when a doctor says you can have three degrees, you have a Ph. D in biochemistry and have a phD in anatomy and a phD in infectious diseases and have a medical degree. And doctor says, Oh, just like everything you say, Okay? And then you die from the official efficiency. Okay, cause plants really need three elements from the soil to make good sees finishing oration. All vertebrates require sixty, so ninety percent of time you’re fifty seven sharp. Now, when you look at the top twenty longevity cultures, according and I’m gonna finish this up here, so get going when you look at the Top twenty longevity cultures, According to the National Geographic nineteen twenty r Several cultures now don’t have electricity. They have no doctors. They have no insurance. He’s wood for fuel. They put their wood ashes. Their gardens would ask their ninety nine percent minerals that the plant sucked up out of the ground. And here’s the deal. Nutritional, mineral do not occur in a uniform blank around across the earth. They occur in veins like chocolate, chocolate ice cream, some here, some there some here there’s gold mine over there. Two thousand miles over there is another gold mine. Same puzzle for nutritional minerals. Okay. And these nineteen cultures that live a long time just happened by dumb luck. Live in places have twenty five, thirty, forty, fifty different Meryl’s in soil. The tree sucks him all up Now the tree only needed three of those minerals. But they’LL suck up all fifty. They throw the wood ashes in the garden. Their beans and corn and tomatoes and carrots stuck up those medals. They eat it, they get those nutrients. They lived one hundred twenty hundred forty hundred sixty your lungs of people. The only first roll cultures in Loma Linda, California for the longest live as a culture there the longest of peoples on Earth. Other than these, another nineteen in the industrialized world. They are the longest of people on earth. Okay, there’s Seven Day Adventist and they’re required by the religion to take supplements. I rest my case.
[00:22:30] Dr. Nick: Beautiful, Of course, we we hear the blue zones and we know that there’s a high proportion of plant based foods centred around fresh, unprocessed fruits and vegetables and lagoons and so forth. And we also noticed that these cultures the longest live cultures air, not using process oils. You and I agree that these oils are toxic. They can become oxidized. You had mentioned in our prior discussion before we started this interview. Uh, the presence of oxidized byproducts,
[00:23:07] Dr. Joel: Actualize Week chairman caused coronary artery plaque and wild sheep from the Atlas Mountains of North. After we’re in the hell are they getting their cholesterol? Okay, was oxidized wheat germ oil
[00:23:19] Dr. Nick: So way Look, att, tthe evidence. And I don’t think anyone could disagree with the fact that living outdoors gathering your food I mean, there was probably times in rainforests where people were reaching up and pulling fruit during season’s pulling tubers out of the ground. eating whole foods if they had the ability hunting down on occasional animal, if that was the pasta possible case. But more importantly, I think way have to look at the latest. Studies are showing that those people who eat the highest proportion of fruits and vegetables and whole food are basically pushing out process toxic foods that really are not good for you. And so you know, again it it’s all about understanding that philosophy and realizing that the soil’s depleted. You’ve made a classic point about this, that even if they’re getting their squash and their carrots and their, you know, fresh tomatoes, I’ve done this experiment. I don’t know if you buy into it, but you put these electrodes into like a character tomato. And if it’s grown in the United States, where they only are required to supply, I believe what is a P K C. Potassium on DH, the various small number of nutrients you alluded to three or four nutrients, but really plants need multiple nutrients. They’LL thrive. But the human, which the plan is absorbing, needs all these nutrients is what you’re pointing out, and that’s that’s one of the keys here. But the point of the light bulb you stick. These electrodes in the light will barely glimmers from the identical looking carrots or squash in the United States. When I went to Malaysian Indonesia, where the soil so dark and rich and the rain force and you stick the electrodes into squash or a carrot, the light is so bright because of all the trace minerals, it’s representative of the vast difference of soil quality, isn’t it?
[00:25:23] Dr. Joel: Well again, you said seventy five things there, Dr Nick and basically the rainforest are depleted of nutrients there. Oesterle. They’re useless. But here’s the deal. Here’s the kicker. Here’s the piece that you’re looking at, but everybody’s talking about the rainforest Rain forest. You do not want to go there and eat out of the rain forest. You will kill yourself. There’s nothing there because of the rain, rain, rain, rain. It’s all depleted. Okay, what happens is, is the rivers running to the rainforest. They flood every year from the flood water he sees. What’s that leave behind silt mud, which your minerals and that gets put back into the soldiers by the natural cycle of annual spring floods, and it’s places just on either side of the river, the flood plains near the rainforest. This a fertile places where people live the longest. They might go into the Farsi at lumber, her shelter. But when it comes to food, the ones who have the salt on the flood paints near the river that’s coming out of the rain forest. There’s were the nutrition’s at okay, and so there’s a lot of misinformation that that people have developed to support their theory.
[00:26:43] Dr. Nick: Well, I think the point you’re making is well taken. I’m not reporting that the rain force itself, but you made a good point that it’s it’s the runoff. In the accumulation
[00:26:55] Dr. Joel: is the flood plains on the banks of the rivers. I’LL give another example. Why was it that flood plains and bottomland people would kill? They would kill their relatives to take over bottomland farms. That’s because every year would flood, and they plow in the mud and the silt and renew the soil every year. A floodplain bottomland farm would last forever. Generation after generation have never played out. You get a farm out on the prairie and eight to ten years it play out because it plants would suck. All of minerals out of the soil had been accumulating for millions of years. Never floods out there. And that was the reason for the movement west they have. When the land played out, they would move west one hundred miles to a new land that would play out. They move west again after six or eight or ten years because it so it would play out on the prairie because it wasn’t funny. It’s the floodplains of bottom land we’re in renewed every year by the new silk. Now, that’s why the oceans are dying. That’s why the reefs are dying and coming up. I want you to hear this coming up in August of this year, I’m gonna be speaking to the Tesla’s Society, not test like our business with Tesla’s society. I’m there, Nikola Test. Yeah, I’m gonna be there. Featured speaker in August of this year in Albuquerque, New Mexico. They have already printed the magazine there magazine for that month, August or the picture on the cover? No. Okay. Me and my monkeys and the feature article in there because young Jimmy knows how to save the Earth because we’re going to feed the ocean. We’re going to feed the reefs because the carbon oxide accumulating the environment there’s no doubt about that is not from combustion engine. And using oil to generate electricity is from lack of consumption. Lack of consumption of car monoxide. What? What? What What consumes carbon dioxide plants? Okay, well, in the ocean, which was the biggest biomass of plants because it’s a three D environment where the land is just a surface. We’LL have three D environment. There is bacteria, Algy, final plankton, all of which your plant materials And they would eat the carbon dioxide and converted into fiber and carbohydrates and stuff. And then they would also accumulate minerals in the ocean. And then the reef polyps would eat the bacteria and the allergy in the vital plankton and make briefs. Well, guess what? We shut off the food supply to the ocean. And so the bacteria, the algae and the pedal plankton are all dead. There’s no food for the for the, uh, brief polyps. Three pallets. They’re starting. So that’s why the reacher die. You ever heard of limestone?
[00:29:45] Dr. Nick: What do you mean, rock? Oh, yeah, I heard of
[00:29:47] Dr. Joel: it. Okay. Well, limestone. It comes from dead reefs. Limestone is a dead reef. There’s been five extinctions over since the beginning of Earth were in the beginnings of the sixth extinction. But myself and young Djibouti are going to intercept it. The sixth extinction will not occur. There will be no more new limestone. We will save the Great Barrier Reef. I will save all the other Reese. We’LL say the ocean. We will save humanity. And young Jimmy, he’s going to get the credit. Thank you very much.
[00:30:14] Dr. Nick: Happens, Joe. Wallet. You’re amazing. We all love you. You have your detractors, but they’re already dead.
[00:30:24] Dr. Joel: Well, yeah, Yeah. Dead doctors don’t like and you know, people always say that, you know? God, you got so many people who don’t like you and this believe you and call you a liar. I said, didn’t they say that about Jesus? I’m in a pretty good group there. I’m not claiming to be in that level, But what I’m saying is, if they can say that about a Jesus taking to say that about a Moses, they could say that about a Noah. I don’t feel too bad that they’re saying that about me.
[00:30:52] Dr. Nick: Dr Nick here. Be strong. Be well. Stay tuned. Our next podcast. I’m sure you’Ll be blown away about what you’re going to learn about in here about subscribe share and get in touch with us. Jo Wallick. He’s out there. He’s kind of stern up the planet and hopefully going to save the planet. Take care.